tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post5968646655080216070..comments2024-03-28T09:13:14.993+00:00Comments on A UNITED VIEW ON FOOTBALL: Dismay, Dispiriting, DisunitedIanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18280910572977143351noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-22982188756492278952012-04-28T13:42:10.060+01:002012-04-28T13:42:10.060+01:00I find it bizarre that so many commenting on this ...I find it bizarre that so many commenting on this case as seen in some comments above need to keep asking 'surely both are guilty or both are innocent because i would thought you cant clear someone of the same charge that you just proscuted someone for'.<br /><br />What is hard to understand here? Consenting to one guy, does not automatically mean you consent to having sex with another. Or in your world, does a girl having sex with you automatically mean she is 'fair game' to be slept with by your friends whether she agrees to it or not? The victim was judged as having agreed to go back with Mcdonald, not with Evans who turned up later on.<br />Moving on...<br /><br />In regards to the inability of some to accept the verdict. You don't have to accept it, however that does not change the fact that a jury and court in full view of the evidence, including video evidence of the phone videos that a 'mate' filmed outside the window of the hotel, came to the conclusion of guilty. <br /><br />You would do best as fans and a football team to accept that Evan's actions are his own fault, and legal proceedings have judged him as so. No one player is bigger than the whole club. It's good to see articles like this acknowledging the need to move on before this sorry situation poisons the rest of the club.Lauranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-43665155316714618352012-04-27T19:34:56.099+01:002012-04-27T19:34:56.099+01:00Great piece Ian, well done! Really enjoyed reading...Great piece Ian, well done! Really enjoyed reading this. I'm a Liverpool fan so it's interesting to see the views of a blades fan.Emma Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03630914192900598376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-88089443315464091312012-04-27T12:54:48.845+01:002012-04-27T12:54:48.845+01:00Thanks for the very kind words.
It would indeed b...Thanks for the very kind words.<br /><br />It would indeed be horrible for it to be de-railed at this stage of the season with so much good work done. Sadly, the timing of injuries to Cresswell and Hoskins make something that had a negative impact worse.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18280910572977143351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-10370137213975242392012-04-27T12:50:57.037+01:002012-04-27T12:50:57.037+01:00Let's hope so. Cheers.Let's hope so. Cheers.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18280910572977143351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-29182548358864611302012-04-27T12:50:37.605+01:002012-04-27T12:50:37.605+01:00I wrote this before the suspension of Connor Brown...I wrote this before the suspension of Connor Brown. Some may view the clubs actions suspiciously. I guess it is much easier to deal with a ninternal disciplinary matter, than a legal matter going through the courts and is subject to appeal. It is unlikely Evans will be being paid and is out of contract in weeks.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18280910572977143351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-34193237068937615442012-04-27T12:48:24.422+01:002012-04-27T12:48:24.422+01:00Lining MK pockets didn't sit easy with me LR, ...Lining MK pockets didn't sit easy with me LR, but it had to be done to back the team.<br /><br />I think the silent majority hav ebecome more vocal as the week has gone on, which can only be a good thing for all concerned.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18280910572977143351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-9373857960659797472012-04-27T12:46:34.856+01:002012-04-27T12:46:34.856+01:00Agree Dan. The full house of home support need to ...Agree Dan. The full house of home support need to be as one on Saturday.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18280910572977143351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-33060215492581733352012-04-27T12:44:40.732+01:002012-04-27T12:44:40.732+01:00Thanks GeordieThanks GeordieIanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18280910572977143351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-80928905627186308772012-04-27T12:44:21.163+01:002012-04-27T12:44:21.163+01:00I agree with Geordie below. The perceived gaps are...I agree with Geordie below. The perceived gaps are for the defence team to deal with, although an appeal based on the split verdict is not allowed. I have my thoughts on it, but will keep them private, needless to say I can see how the verdict was arrived at.Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18280910572977143351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-64863562631933246592012-04-26T14:42:49.308+01:002012-04-26T14:42:49.308+01:00As a supporter of Another League 1 Club (not Wedne...As a supporter of Another League 1 Club (not Wednesday, either), this is the best thing I've read about this case over the past few days. It's the only thing I've read that has pointed out that the jury not only heard all the evidence, but saw the people giving it and were able (and, more to the point, entitled) to draw inferences from what they see.<br /><br />I do have an opinion about the verdict and sentence, which I'm not going to state here because it would be irrelevant. Given that Evans' legal team have said that he's going to appeal, though, you might find this booklet of interest: http://www.justice.org.uk/data/files/resources/274/How-to-Appeal-2011.pdf The whole thing is quite illuminating, if you're interested in that sort of thing, but the section on "Grounds for Appeal" starts on page 35 of the pdf. One of the things specifically mentioned as being NOT acceptable as grounds is a complaint that one person was convicted and a co-accused was acquitted. This is actually pretty common.<br /><br />Good luck with the whole promotion thing. My club are safely bedded-in in mid-table mediocrity, which suits me fine. I don't really carry a torch for Sheffield United, but missing out because the team were knocked out of whack by something that involved one player away from the pitch would be a bummer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-51323466256934444832012-04-25T21:21:35.694+01:002012-04-25T21:21:35.694+01:00Excellent article on this totally sordid event.
I ...Excellent article on this totally sordid event.<br />I have increasingly been ever more alienated from most so called football fans, not least our blades fans. This week has made me sick of the sight of many of these fellow fans.<br />No Evans chants on Saturday please.skidgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-62931015695506563172012-04-25T18:26:41.031+01:002012-04-25T18:26:41.031+01:00Well put and thoughtful piece, my only one critici...Well put and thoughtful piece, my only one criticism is the way sheffield united have handled this sorry mess !<br />one youth player tweets inappropriate comments and get suspended ! yet one player gets convicted and the clubs stand as no comment just stating the law firm quote the mr evans will be appealing ,<br />If the roles was reversed one would wonder if the same stance would occur or maybe my suspicions of trying to recoup some outlay of 3m transfer money is pure way of the mark!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-44141935531259396832012-04-24T19:53:08.037+01:002012-04-24T19:53:08.037+01:00Shame on Sheffield United fans - 6,000 lining Pete...Shame on Sheffield United fans - 6,000 lining Pete Winkleman's pockets!<br /><br />Seriously though, an excellent, thoughtful piece and good to see a silent majority of sensible Wednesday and United fans leave the tribalism behind even if the initial twitter outbursts made one fear for how our society has evolved.Lanterne Rougehttp://thetwounfortunates.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-10745731972229729532012-04-24T17:35:54.322+01:002012-04-24T17:35:54.322+01:00Excellent perspective on the whole sorry charade I...Excellent perspective on the whole sorry charade Ian!<br /><br />Like most Blades fans I've been in a kind of stunned foglike daze since Friday, which began as a thick choking smog and has gradually thinned out allowing me (with the help of articles such as this) to make some sort of sense of the whole shabbam.<br />Saturday is huge, as fans we need to play our part to achieve the goal of what we all want, that means getting 100% behind the team with no divisive chanting, individual squabbles in the stand and general apathy all round.<br /><br />Likewise, hopefully, the players have recovered from the shock of their teammate being imprisoned (this was all too apparent at MKD)and will be able to produce what is needed to give us victory.<br />Finally, I confess to some unease at CE's conviction given the evidence available to the public, but have sympathy with the victim, the victim's family and Ched's family too.<br /><br />Somehow, I don't think we've anywhere near heard the last of this!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-71089847679692656902012-04-24T12:54:15.936+01:002012-04-24T12:54:15.936+01:00Good write-up on thoughts, morally and realistical...Good write-up on thoughts, morally and realistically over a horrible situation all-round.<br /><br />I still think that McDonald getting nothing is all a little strange and it makes me wonder, what we've not heard. Regardless, he also said he's in shock and supports Ched. HOWEVER, when it comes down to the reality of the situation, the decision has been made and that's the law in any case. I don't mean that with irony or sarcasm, he did something incredibly stupid and this is the result. <br /><br />Moving on, I was disappointed again by the way our fans seem to forget to try and support everyone left. Sure, we had another amazing amount of travelling fans but I feel we're guilty as any other smaller club in not helping the team on the pitch as much as we could as that 'extra' man.<br /><br />We've got a massive chance of nearly sealing it this Saturday evening, I hope everyone who turns up really gets behind the lads as they need the positive feeling, more than ever. Obvious sympathies to the victim and her family but lets' not throw away a season after one horrible situation.<br /><br />(@danbullock)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015355663659142920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-21825850062990599882012-04-24T09:04:33.201+01:002012-04-24T09:04:33.201+01:00SUFC have had a bad press over this and it is nice...SUFC have had a bad press over this and it is nice to read a reasoned piece such as this, which shows that not all football fans can look beyond their own clubs needs. <br />From what I understand of the case however I am very surprised McDonald was not charged with aiding and abetting as well as rape, then he would have at least been found guilty of a share of the crime.<br /><br />As has been said in this blog it is a terrible situation for those concerned, sympathies go to the victimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-49631770664084270552012-04-24T08:14:26.652+01:002012-04-24T08:14:26.652+01:00Excellent piece. Thanks for it. It's great to...Excellent piece. Thanks for it. It's great to get the view of a United fan in the middle of all this.<br /><br />I would take issue with the implication that Wednesday fans en masse are gloating at this verdict. I don't think we are (I seriously hope we aren't), though obviously some idiots are (just as some idiots on the red and white side of the city are trying to drum up support for Evans). I won't wish you luck for the rest of the season, for obvious reasons, but thanks for the article.<br /><br />CheersAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11294221123964774524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-15383126035011353952012-04-23T23:49:25.095+01:002012-04-23T23:49:25.095+01:00very well put & a great article i came to same...very well put & a great article i came to same conclusion this morning after thinking about it last (sunday)night in bed that sheff utd have got to forget about ched no matter if he wrongly convicted or not because cos sheff utd need to have no distractions for last 2 games its way too important the ched thing could derail promotion its harsh but i rather see sheff utd in the championship than ched innocent<br /><br />& as dominic says im not defending ched my point on it all is that surely both are guilty or both are innocent because i would thought you cant clear someone of the same charge that you just proscuted someone forlee allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02469500400685474196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-60207538104927743302012-04-23T23:27:42.921+01:002012-04-23T23:27:42.921+01:00Well said and very well put.
I believe in innocent...Well said and very well put.<br />I believe in innocent till proven guilty. He's been found guilty by a fair and honest jury and have to move.<br />Whilst not having followed the trial closely there do seem be few blanks but that's for qualified lawyers and Cheds defence team to deal with.<br /><br />As for 'that' chant I found it disgusting but will admit to inadvertently chanting it as thought it was the he'll score when he wants(which could in some ways be argued be almost as bad).<br /><br />Great blog overall by the way.Geordie_Bladenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-515487421116248991.post-4703183917693620922012-04-23T23:01:23.658+01:002012-04-23T23:01:23.658+01:00Very well put Ian. I will admit to using the # jus...Very well put Ian. I will admit to using the # justiceforched on the grounds that it is a split verdict and i believe that both males should have the same fate, either innocent or guilty, the lady in question was reportedly incoherent before both of them met her. I question the verdict on those facts. If its proven Ched joined a lot later and just used a body for sex then yes let him hang and rot, the limited reports havent helped clear the confusion of the 1 man innocent, 1 man guilty verdict given by the jury, this is what needs to be made clear now in view of the case. As for sufc, lets get behind the players, manager and all involved with the club to ensure we get out of league 1 at the first time of asking.Dominic Keyhttp://www.twitter.com/WindsorBlade76noreply@blogger.com